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 Calling all BAHN/INJECTION stories - does it really work? 
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Post Re: Calling all BAHN/INJECTION stories - does it really work
Hi all still following this thread.

I’ve now had a chance to talk directly with several of members on this thread, which has been very valuable in helping me get more & more clear about Dr. Bahn and the injection option. Thanks to all who talked to me by phone.

As we’ve talked, certain key points have become clear:

1. Everybody’s type of prostatitis & pain type is individual. Regardless of whether it’s infection in the prostate or vesicles, structural pelvic pain, stress related, or whatever, everybody’s experience is a little, or a lot, different. Hence, some people are adamant about the path that helped them, while others swear that, nope, that’s the wrong way to go. That individual experience of doctors & remedies is present in other bad illnesses too – heart disease, cancer, diabetes, you name it.

2. I’m a “novice” at prostatitis. I’ve only had the illness for 7 months, and only been in dire pain, the level that makes life awful every day, for about the last 3 of those months. There are people on this forum who’ve been living with that much pain or more for over a decade. More importantly, many of those long-term sufferers have had the time to try virtually every known & “secret” remedy for this. Long-term members of this forum (and the one that preceded it) like myballshurt & prayerandfaith have literally been around the world – Europe, China, every prosta specialist in the USA – and have had so many pills, herbs, and procedures done to allay their prostatitis, and they speak with a deep wisdom I, as a newbie, could never match. They should be respected, even if they sometimes seem overzealous about one particular approach.

2. As a novice, who’s admittedly scared of powerful drug injections into my groin, I asked a lot of questions and posted some negative stories I heard from other people. I was never trying to frighten anybody or draw any negative conclusions about Bahn’s injections or any other approach. I was simply trying to stimulate an open dialogue, including all positive & not-so-positive experiences patients may have had with Bahn or his injections. Members like ballshurt & prayer had only positive things to say. I wondered if there were others who had negative experiences, but were afraid to post it here, so I thought that by “hearsaying” for a few that I know had a rough time with the injections, it might help all the stories to come out, both good & bad.

3. After all I’ve heard, it would appear that, indeed, Bahn has had good success and very few complaints of after-effects in the decade he’s been doing these injections. I don’t know the exact percentage of his success, but it would seem his claim of 75% is not too boastful, and although his claim of 0% side effects is still a little tough for me to swallow (because I personally know at least 1 person who had the after-effect of blood in urine for months, not days,) it seems clear that very few people have had noticeable side effects. And of course, if you are at the desperate point, a few minor side effects don’t matter.

4. Does this mean I’m not scared of these injections, and I’m gonna rush to do ‘em? Hell no! It’s still very creepy to me to have someone, even as reputable as Dr. Bahn, stick a needle full of strong chemicals into my “privates.” I’m still going to explore every other option possible, as long as I can hold out at this pain level, before succumbing to the needle. But, if either I can’t find anything that works, or the pain gets too unbearable (even with pain-killers) to take another day, yes, I will have the injections. And I will definitely have Bahn do it, because, after talking to everybody, I now believe he’s the best, most careful and least money-grubbing of the few drs. that even do this. Even if I didn’t live close to his office, I still would not go to the Europe injectors, and not go to the guy in New York, I’d come to Bahn.

5. One other important thing I want to say: If you have any kind of prostatitis and are browsing this forum, and you were thinking of seeing Bahn for these injections, don’t let anything I said dissuade you. Those points I brought up are just my own opinion & fears. If you are at your wits end, and nothing else is working, and you’re close to giving up, I wouldn’t want you to avoid Bahn’s injections as an option, just because of anything I or anyone else said on this forum. Call the man, talk to him yourself, let him do a color-doppler TRUS on you and tell you his findings, and form your own opinion. He might not be for everybody and every serious case of prostatitis, but he might just be the right fit for you. Thanks for sharing in this forum, and don’t take anything I or anyone else says here as gospel. Consider everyone's feedback, but be your own best doctor & patient.


Tue May 28, 2013 7:47 pm
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Well said ! I hope everyone gets rid of this hell.
Peace And Light!


Wed May 29, 2013 7:57 pm
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rhythm,

I've been having problems since January, so like you, I'm several months in and really would like to get relief. Chronic pain is an evil thing and does bad things to the mind.

One of the biggest things that needs to be advocated with this disease is patience. I know you're looking for relief, but I feel like the injection route is really drastic/experimental. Time is a great medication for many ailments. My personal opinion is you need to give this more time to see if your symptoms lessen or diminish over time. I know that's hard to hear when you're in pain, especially for months at a time (I'm in pain too).

I think your concerns are valid and you've posted a lot of good information/thoughts here. I think the most critical thing you need to think about is the possibility that injection therapy could make you worse. Some days I feel really awful, but other days, like today--I'm not as bad. I can't imagine dealing with a problem like this and actually pursuing treatment that put me in more pain/discomfort. It's already been hard enough as it is.

Ask yourself this: are you prepared for the possibility that you could make your condition more painful and potentially cause other serious health related issues? Not trying to scare you, but it is something to consider. You have to be the best advocate for your own health, and do what you think is right. I don't have an opinion yet on injection therapy/Dr. Bahn, but is on my radar as something for the future, if I don't make progress anywhere else.

One other thing: I saw another member post here regarding success with IV antibiotic therapy. That's something I haven't seen many people talk about here, but I'm looking into it myself. Not sure what the efficacy is for prostatitis, but this is an accepted practice in western medicine for treating serious infections, like Lyme disease. I might make another post to see who else has experience with this type of treatment. Obviously this approach would only serve those with a true, documented infectious related cause contributing to their prostatitis.

Keep us apprised on your thoughts, and if you do go through with direct injection, let us know how you fare.


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Thanks for your caring imput, dontgiveup, I really appreciate it.

dontgiveup wrote:
One of the biggest things that needs to be advocated with this disease is patience. I know you're looking for relief, but I feel like the injection route is really drastic/experimental. Time is a great medication for many ailments. My personal opinion is you need to give this more time to see if your symptoms lessen or diminish over time. I know that's hard to hear when you're in pain, especially for months at a time (I'm in pain too).


Yes, I am being patient and not rushing into the injections. Recently I have been working with a local doctor who is giving me long, deep internal prostate/seminal-vesicle massages, once a week. He feels my whole region is loosening up more with each massage, and truly believes we will eventually reach full release with all the pain gone. Some weeks the pain goes down after he massages, and it's easier to stay optimistic; other weeks, the pain seems to go all the way back up again, and some hopelessness creeps in. But I am trusting his judgement, and we will see how it goes in several more weeks.

I agree with you that time is the best healer, and if I can only hold on long enough, a lot of my pain/symptoms may diminish on their own. It's all about how much continuous, high-pitched pain any individual can stand, everybody's a little different in their pain-tolerance levels. If I had a dependable, safe source of pain relief, like a couple Advil a day making the pain pretty bearable, hell, I'd wait a year, 2 even 3, before I submitted to the injections. But my pain is very intense and not bearable day-after-day, and unfortunately I have to take more like 3-4 Advil (or other NSAID like Aleve or diclofenac) just to take the pain level down from a 9 or 10 to a 6-7. Taking that much NSAIDs, or switching to an addictive drug like Tramadol, has its own bad side effects and possibility of causing other serious health-related issues.

dontgiveup wrote:
I think your concerns are valid and you've posted a lot of good information/thoughts here. I think the most critical thing you need to think about is the possibility that injection therapy could make you worse. Ask yourself this: are you prepared for the possibility that you could make your condition more painful and potentially cause other serious health related issues?


I agree with you that injection therapy seems radical, which is why I started this thread in the first place. What I've concluded through information I've gathered here, and through direct phone chats with myballshurt, prayerandfaith, and Dr. Bahn himself, is that after 10 years of doing these injections, very few people have felt their condition actually worsen with the injections, maybe just 4-5 out of over a hundred, and so far, no one has suffered any long-term serious health issues from them. That's good evidence and a pretty good vote of confidence. If Bahn was having, say, 50% or even 25% of his injection clients feeling worse or getting long-term health conditions from them, he would not have been able to keep offering them; his patients and authorities would have shut him down & stopped his injections a long time ago. So while I'm still hoping to cure this with other therapies and avoid the injections altogether, I'm no longer worried about the injections making me worse or leaving me with some bad health issues,

dontgiveup wrote:
Some days I feel really awful, but other days, like today--I'm not as bad.
Well I measure my pain on a 1 to 10 scale, and as mentioned above, while I have had one stretch of 3-4 days where the pain went down to about a 6 most of the day, that was an exception. Mostly, the pain has stayed right around 8-10 all day, every day, for months at a stretch, since March. So I'm glad that your pain has days of "not-as-bad." For me, I'm not getting any breaks, so like you said, that much continuous chronic pain does evil things to one's mind, like make him first impatient, then desperate, then even suicidal. I will keep you apprised of my progress - thanks for asking.


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I feel for you brother, sorry to hear the intensity is that high for you. I really think you need to give tramadol a try. I was initially opposed to it myself. I've found it is non-habit forming, as I don't take it everyday, nor do I have the desire to. No discernible side effects that I've noticed either, and with insurance it's usually cheap. I think this could help you knock down the pain a few points on days it's really bad. I know at least one other member here takes it with similar results. Probably better than taking 3-4 NSAIDs and killing the lining of your stomach.


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I also used to take Tramadol and found it the best for pain and side effects.

I only used to take 1-3 a day and it wasn't addictive at those doses.


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rhythm wrote:
OK, I know there have already been a few threads focusing on Dr. Duke Bahn (Ventura, CA) and his injections, but I just saw him today (May 20,) scheduled my 1st injection (for mid-June) and would appreciate "rounding-up" all the scattered "testimonials " in one place to help determine if his injection cocktail really works, and is a good option for me or anyone else here.

First off, he was very kind & understanding, great bedside manner, and seemed to be very honest in his answers to my questions. After my Color Doppler TRUS, which revealed only minor spots in a normal-sized prostate, but a larger amount of inflammation and "grey area" (indicating possible infection) in my right seminal vesicle, he told me the "junk" in that seminal vesicle was likely the cause for all my severe, constant burning pain at the scrotum & anus, and recommended his usual course of 3 injections into both prostate and seminal vesicles.

So my first question to him, and to you all, was "What's your success rate?" He answered "75% x 75%," meaning about 75% of all his patients experienced about a 75% reduction in pain/symptoms, which he classified as "enough to stop thinking about your prostatitis and live a normal life." He had no answer for why it didn't work on the other 25%, but if 75% is true, that's pretty good and I'm pretty interested.

I asked about side effects, and he said he has had no reports from any patients about bad side effects, through 10 years of administering these injections, beyond some temporary blood in urine or semen. And that's even as he periodically upped the dosage of the strong drugs in his "cocktail." That answer I found a little harder to believe. The cocktail includes 2 strong antibiotics, an anti-fungal, an anti-amebic (parasites) and a corticosteroid. He said even though he administers high doses of all, side effects are absent because they're not being taken orally through your GI tract. So in addition to hearing your success/failure stories, I'd appreciate hearing any honest side-effect reports.

I've heard of at least one case (a personal friend) who claimed the injections actually aggravated his condition, rather than helping it.


rythym, how are you feeling?


Additionally, I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any suggestions for drainage of these seminal vesicle pathogens by any other method (natural cures, massage, etc.) beyond bombarding them with direct high-drug injections. Bahn says there's virtually no blood vessels in the seminal vesicles, which is why taking oral antibiotics into your bloodstream, can never touch or eliminate these infections. He also pointed out that "God made a poor design" :D when he made only one thin tube for both the inward and outward flow of the seminal vesicle, such that once infection gets trapped in there, it's damn tough to drain it out. But I trust the body's wisdom & self-elimination, and can't believe that, even with this one-door-in-&-out design, there isn't some other method of stimulating the "grey areas" to drain out.

Thanks everyone, your honest reports on your Bahn/Injection experiences will help me and others be more clear about proceeding.


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rhythm wrote:
Thanks for your caring imput, dontgiveup, I really appreciate it.

dontgiveup wrote:
One of the biggest things that needs to be advocated with this disease is patience. I know you're looking for relief, but I feel like the injection route is really drastic/experimental. Time is a great medication for many ailments. My personal opinion is you need to give this more time to see if your symptoms lessen or diminish over time. I know that's hard to hear when you're in pain, especially for months at a time (I'm in pain too).


Yes, I am being patient and not rushing into the injections. Recently I have been working with a local doctor who is giving me long, deep internal prostate/seminal-vesicle massages, once a week. He feels my whole region is loosening up more with each massage, and truly believes we will eventually reach full release with all the pain gone. Some weeks the pain goes down after he massages, and it's easier to stay optimistic; other weeks, the pain seems to go all the way back up again, and some hopelessness creeps in. But I am trusting his judgement, and we will see how it goes in several more weeks.

I agree with you that time is the best healer, and if I can only hold on long enough, a lot of my pain/symptoms may diminish on their own. It's all about how much continuous, high-pitched pain any individual can stand, everybody's a little different in their pain-tolerance levels. If I had a dependable, safe source of pain relief, like a couple Advil a day making the pain pretty bearable, hell, I'd wait a year, 2 even 3, before I submitted to the injections. But my pain is very intense and not bearable day-after-day, and unfortunately I have to take more like 3-4 Advil (or other NSAID like Aleve or diclofenac) just to take the pain level down from a 9 or 10 to a 6-7. Taking that much NSAIDs, or switching to an addictive drug like Tramadol, has its own bad side effects and possibility of causing other serious health-related issues.

dontgiveup wrote:
I think your concerns are valid and you've posted a lot of good information/thoughts here. I think the most critical thing you need to think about is the possibility that injection therapy could make you worse. Ask yourself this: are you prepared for the possibility that you could make your condition more painful and potentially cause other serious health related issues?


I agree with you that injection therapy seems radical, which is why I started this thread in the first place. What I've concluded through information I've gathered here, and through direct phone chats with myballshurt, prayerandfaith, and Dr. Bahn himself, is that after 10 years of doing these injections, very few people have felt their condition actually worsen with the injections, maybe just 4-5 out of over a hundred, and so far, no one has suffered any long-term serious health issues from them. That's good evidence and a pretty good vote of confidence. If Bahn was having, say, 50% or even 25% of his injection clients feeling worse or getting long-term health conditions from them, he would not have been able to keep offering them; his patients and authorities would have shut him down & stopped his injections a long time ago. So while I'm still hoping to cure this with other therapies and avoid the injections altogether, I'm no longer worried about the injections making me worse or leaving me with some bad health issues,

dontgiveup wrote:
Some days I feel really awful, but other days, like today--I'm not as bad.
Well I measure my pain on a 1 to 10 scale, and as mentioned above, while I have had one stretch of 3-4 days where the pain went down to about a 6 most of the day, that was an exception. Mostly, the pain has stayed right around 8-10 all day, every day, for months at a stretch, since March. So I'm glad that your pain has days of "not-as-bad." For me, I'm not getting any breaks, so like you said, that much continuous chronic pain does evil things to one's mind, like make him first impatient, then desperate, then even suicidal. I will keep you apprised of my progress - thanks for asking.


Did you end up receiving the injections or have anymore feedback on the injections? I am considering either the injections by bahn or prostate massage by Ilia.


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I just got my first injection from Dr Duke Bahn. And of course I have had to many antibiotics and natural supplements that did not work. I have been battling this disease for 7 years. I am scheduled for 3 more over the next two weeks. My ultrasound found the problem in the left seminal vesicle. The left side is 3 times bigger than the right side and is causing infection and inflammation to the left lobe of the prostate. I don't see why it cant be knocked out completely.
I have read review of others that have been completely cured. One has 3 years the other has 7 years. Dr Bahn is the best at prostate issues and his prices are cheep considering what I have paid other doctors and urologist.

My first set of injections was on 7-16-2018 and had a little discomfort but I took no pain meds and walked 1.0 miles after on the sea wall. I stayed at the crown plaza. I also had a town car ride back to LAX and flew to Houston on a 3.5 hr flight because I had to do payroll for my company. I feel soooooo much better today and am looking foward to curing this infection.

I had my 2nd injection on 7-19-2018 it was a little more painful but after a few hours it was much better. I felt good until the day before my next shot. I decided to wait a few weeks to get the additional injections.

I am going to get the two more injections on Aug 16 and then another on Aug 30th. I feel better spacing them out more as I am sensitive to the steroid. Bahn's original protocol was every 2 weeks as I was told by one of the other patients.

I feel the injections have helped about 70% better than when I went to his office for the first injection. I did not even want to work out before the injections but now I am working out. There are times now when I have almost no symptoms where that was not the case before the treatment.


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Please keep us up to date as I have been dealing with this for over 7 years trying everything with very little success, I have been contemplating seeing Dr Bahn and would love to follow your progress


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Hey how are you now after the injection


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