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Sacro Iliac Joint Dysfunction Symptoms

- Pain in coccyx, perineum, hips, lower back, groin
- Bladder neck dysfunction
- Anal Tension and Pain
- Sexual Dysfunction

Now does that sound a bit like CPPS?

What's missing?

Prostate Pain.

How is the Prostate thought to become inflammed?

A dysfunctional bladder neck

Doesn't this seem a bit coincidental?


Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:00 pm
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Post Re: An Explanation and Cure for a common cause of CPPS
Dave,
What exact treatment did you have done?
Any trigger point injections? I hear they Go hand in hand with manipulation therapy. Where did u get treatment. I live in Philly.
Rob


Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:30 pm
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bbb15 wrote:
Dave,
What exact treatment did you have done?
Any trigger point injections? I hear they Go hand in hand with manipulation therapy. Where did u get treatment. I live in Philly.
Rob


I would stay away from injections and surgery unless there's no other alternative.

The basic therapy is to re-align the spine. This is not easy. Most Osteopaths and Chiropractors aren't that good. You need to find a REALLY good one.

The Sacro-Iliac joint is a pressure joint. As you are standing the bones are forced together. The ligaments which hold them together are tight and strong but do allow a very small degree of movement (millimeters).

When the pelvis is twisted, the joints become either hyper mobile or locked. Makes sense as they are not tracking through a straight line anymore.

You need someone who will look from your head down to your toes. Make judgements as to what is causing the twist in your spine and then correct all of it.

Some people will have banged their heads and have a neck misalignment at C1. The head is as heavy as a bowling ball and so the spine underneath will contort to try to hold it vertical.

Other will have damaged the actual Sacro-Iliac Joint itself. Some will have fractured a bone in their leg and have a slightly shorter leg when it healed. This will tilt/twist the pelvis.

ANYTHING which upsets the natural balance of the Pelvis can lead to Pelvic Pain.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:16 pm
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I'm in the UK so I can't help there.

Read and read on Sacro-Iliac Joint dysfunction.

Find website's, see specialists.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:18 pm
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The anxiety and depression you suffer from is likely to be because your neck is mis-aligned.

You are not getting the correct flow of blood in and out of your brain...hence depression.

Also, there will be some pressure on the spinal cord which is STIMULATING your nervous system...hence anxiety.

As someone who has played a lot of sports, as I did when I was younger, you are a typical sufferer of spinal mis-alignments.

Try to think of a time when you landed hard on your bum or lower back. Possibly you had weeks off sports?

Or have you ever been knocked out from a head trauma. That could have contributed too.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:32 pm
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I commend you on your research by the way. Well done. Looks like you stared into the big black hole I did for answers. That takes courage.

Looks like you got 90% of the way there without getting to the Sacro-iliac Joint and twisted spine.

By the way, the majority of physiotherapists don't believe in twisted pelvises.

That's why we don't get better. They treat the muscle contraction without removing the thing causing the muscle contraction...mis-aligment.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:36 pm
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A lot of Osteopath's these days only mobilise joints. They don't re-align them.

It's not going to be easy to get this fixed. Learn all you can.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:38 pm
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Yes, I also have burning in butt (Pudendal nerve or Anal Sphincter Tenstion - Twisted pelvis) and feet (Possible pressure on Sciatic Nerve from L5S1 disk - Due to body being twisted/tilted
My finger tips tingle/buzz sometimes as well - A kink in your back around the C5-6 joint - Nerves here go to your fingers
Ive gotten numerous mri's for ms etc. and everything comes back clear - Twists don't show on MRI's. Sacro Iliac Joint Dysfunction doesn't show on MRI's
My doctor explained to me that what we have is almost like a fibromyalgia condition (autoimmune) that can spread from pelvis to rest of lower body - Obscenity removed by Admin. Please don't post words like that. Your spine is twisted and there is pressure on the nerves from tight muscles, etc. Untwist your spine and all problems will very likely disappear.
Check out "neural crosstalk - Meh
Apparently, when nerves are constantly firing, in the case of prostatitis (the pudendal nerve), there can also be sciatic inflammation which innervates the buttocks and feet - You probably have some pressure on sciatic nerve as above. Nothing that would show on a scan
Im trying out neurontin at a very low dose, to see if it can calm down my whole lower body.
I really do feel as though this is a pelvic nerve related condition rather than prostate itself - WELL DONE
Im the same age as you, new father, and this condition has had a devasting effect on my life.
Keep looking for answers, as i will never give up..
I'm considering some botox/steroid perineum injections as that seems to be a newer protocol - NAH. Go get yourself into alignment.
This sucks! Best of luck!


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:49 pm
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Dave,
Your hypothesis sounds reasonable for the cause of CPPS. I don't believe the injection stuff because I used all sort of antibiotics, even direct injection to the prostate gland. None of them works. I don't think it's caused by infection at all in my case, rather, I have symptoms as your described as the nerve dysfunction. In my opinion, the difference on symptom between bacterial and non-bacterial prostatitis is whether you have sexual dysfunction or lost in libido. Bacterial prostatitis won't affect too much libido although you may feel painful ejection, but non-bacterial prostatitis can cause erection problems (that is why I think the nerve dysfunction theory reasonable). I do hope the medical scientists can approve your hypothesis is correct and invent a cure. You may won the Nobel price in the medical field. LOL


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:51 pm
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Get your wife to take a picture of your back whilst you stand in a relaxed pose (no trying to stand straight)

Your shoulders will almost certainly not be level and nor will your hip bones.

There will probably be some sort of kink around the C5-C6 area causing the tingling in your fingers.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:52 pm
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suiyuezhainan wrote:
Dave,
Your hypothesis sounds reasonable for the cause of CPPS. I don't believe the injection stuff because I used all sort of antibiotics, even direct injection to the prostate gland. None of them works. I don't think it's caused by infection at all in my case, rather, I have symptoms as your described as the nerve dysfunction. In my opinion, the difference on symptom between bacterial and non-bacterial prostatitis is whether you have sexual dysfunction or lost in libido. Bacterial prostatitis won't affect too much libido although you may feel painful ejection, but non-bacterial prostatitis can cause erection problems (that is why I think the nerve dysfunction theory reasonable). I do hope the medical scientists can approve your hypothesis is correct and invent a cure. You may won the Nobel price in the medical field. LOL


The cure is getting your pelvis into proper alignment. Conventional science doesn't understand spinal alignment causing nerve problems because it doesn't show up on scans.

I had the time, motivation and obsessive mind to take this on.

No one is going to cure this but you.

Take all your research and plough it into SIJD and twisted spines.


Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:09 pm
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No worries here dont get the injections thats fine by me!!!
Peace And Light!!!


Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:39 pm
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Post Re: An Explanation and Cure for a common cause of CPPS
There isn't one cause or solution for prostatitis. The theory presented here could be cause of prostatitis in some individuals. In my own personal cause I believe it to be down to stress and anxiety, this in turn causing muscle tension in the pelvic floor. I had all the symptoms of prostatitis, but all tests came back clear and antibiotics had no effect. After researching online, I found that magnesium could reduce anxiety in individuals and also help relax muscles. Since taking magnesium glycinate, my symptoms have reduced substantially


Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:05 am
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identity wrote:
There isn't one cause or solution for prostatitis. The theory presented here could be cause of prostatitis in some individuals. In my own personal cause I believe it to be down to stress and anxiety, this in turn causing muscle tension in the pelvic floor. I had all the symptoms of prostatitis, but all tests came back clear and antibiotics had no effect. After researching online, I found that magnesium could reduce anxiety in individuals and also help relax muscles. Since taking magnesium glycinate, my symptoms have reduced substantially


In my opinion stress/anxiety is a cop out by doctors to turn the issue into YOUR problem.

If you get no sleep, are in constant pain, can't have sex, you are going to be stressed and anxious. No sane person wouldn't be. Tensing your pelvic muscles will undoubtably make it worse, it can even be a trigger for attacks or even the onset of the problem. But in long term, chronic cases, there is a problem in the pelvis which is keeping the fire burning.

If you are twisted, then its likely there is a mid-alignment at C1, which will make you suffers from anxiety and maybe depression anyway.

I would imagine that most people had some form of low level anxiety years before they got prostatitis.


Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:05 am
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I had a couple of appointments with Dr Baranowski, the most prominent pain specialist in the UK.

He didn't get my diagnosis right. He said I had some sort of 'pain syndrome' throughout my body. I was sent to a lady who told me this had happened because I banged my back when I was young.

It was of course wrong and could have destroyed my life if I'd accepted their opinion.

He did mention, when I pressed him that a lot of his patients were 'skew whiff''. i.e Their spines were twisted.

If you think the top pain specialist in the UK has patients with twisted, tilted spines then you might start seeing a correlation.

I hate to think of the people having operations, injections, on long term painkillers, etc because they've been 'mis diagnosed' with a incurable pain syndrome.


Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:26 am
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David88 wrote:
identity wrote:
There isn't one cause or solution for prostatitis. The theory presented here could be cause of prostatitis in some individuals. In my own personal cause I believe it to be down to stress and anxiety, this in turn causing muscle tension in the pelvic floor. I had all the symptoms of prostatitis, but all tests came back clear and antibiotics had no effect. After researching online, I found that magnesium could reduce anxiety in individuals and also help relax muscles. Since taking magnesium glycinate, my symptoms have reduced substantially


In my opinion stress/anxiety is a cop out by doctors to turn the issue into YOUR problem.

If you get no sleep, are in constant pain, can't have sex, you are going to be stressed and anxious. No sane person wouldn't be. Tensing your pelvic muscles will undoubtably make it worse, it can even be a trigger for attacks or even the onset of the problem. But in long term, chronic cases, there is a problem in the pelvis which is keeping the fire burning.

If you are twisted, then its likely there is a mid-alignment at C1, which will make you suffers from anxiety and maybe depression anyway.

I would imagine that most people had some form of low level anxiety years before they got prostatitis.


How would you explain 90% of symptoms alleviating since I started supplementing with magnesium?


Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:44 pm
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identity wrote:
David88 wrote:
identity wrote:
There isn't one cause or solution for prostatitis. The theory presented here could be cause of prostatitis in some individuals. In my own personal cause I believe it to be down to stress and anxiety, this in turn causing muscle tension in the pelvic floor. I had all the symptoms of prostatitis, but all tests came back clear and antibiotics had no effect. After researching online, I found that magnesium could reduce anxiety in individuals and also help relax muscles. Since taking magnesium glycinate, my symptoms have reduced substantially


In my opinion stress/anxiety is a cop out by doctors to turn the issue into YOUR problem.

If you get no sleep, are in constant pain, can't have sex, you are going to be stressed and anxious. No sane person wouldn't be. Tensing your pelvic muscles will undoubtably make it worse, it can even be a trigger for attacks or even the onset of the problem. But in long term, chronic cases, there is a problem in the pelvis which is keeping the fire burning.

If you are twisted, then its likely there is a mid-alignment at C1, which will make you suffers from anxiety and maybe depression anyway.

I would imagine that most people had some form of low level anxiety years before they got prostatitis.


How would you explain 90% of symptoms alleviating since I started supplementing with magnesium?


You'd need to give me full before/after run down for me to have a crack at it.

We're you tested for Magnesium deficiency? Not eating enough fibre or dairy etc?


Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:28 pm
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If Protatitis was caused by Magnesium depletion then surely the same problem would affect the whole body, not just the pelvis.


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David88 wrote:
If Protatitis was caused by Magnesium depletion then surely the same problem would affect the whole body, not just the pelvis.


David, have you ever considered the possibility that other people's opinions carry the same weight as yours? Maybe you should pause and think about how you present yourself, as well as your opinions. If you truly believe all you say, and your desire is to help others, you might want to think about that.


Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:32 pm
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Developed CPPS out of the blue 6 years. Symptoms included frequent urination, dull ache in lower abdomen, painful ejaculations, weak urine stream, golf ball feeling in anus, along with a few other symptoms associated with prostatitis. Over the years had a number of tests which came back clear, also have been on a number of different antibiotics, none which had any effect. I read up on magnesium and its benefits on anxiety and muscle relaxation. Started supplementing with magnesium glycinate last year some time. After a few weeks taking the supplement all my symptoms pretty much dissipated. I do still have the odd bad day, but after dealing with it day in day out for 6 years, it is a big relief. My dairy and fibre intake has always been high since I body build and follow a high protein diet.


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David88 wrote:
If Protatitis was caused by Magnesium depletion then surely the same problem would affect the whole body, not just the pelvis.


Magnesium depletion has many effects, this includes stress and anxiety. Something I have suffered for many years. I also had panic attacks before I started taking the supplement, and now I have none. I can't explain exactly how it works, but it works for me.


Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:46 pm
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This is a thread I started about a bio-mechanical cause of pelvic pain. Why not start your own thread and lay out in detail how Magnesium deficiency is the cause of Pelvic Pain.


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This is a thread where I want people to discuss things from a medical perspective. Just saying there's no cause, our bodies are meant to fail, like you did is an extremely depressing view. I think you should have a look at what you are posting and how demoralizing it might be to men desperate to escape this problem.


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identity wrote:
David88 wrote:
If Protatitis was caused by Magnesium depletion then surely the same problem would affect the whole body, not just the pelvis.


Magnesium depletion has many effects, this includes stress and anxiety. Something I have suffered for many years. I also had panic attacks before I started taking the supplement, and now I have none. I can't explain exactly how it works, but it works for me.


Glad you are feeling better.

Anything which decreases muscle tension in the pelvis should help.


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I know for a fact that stress most certainly contributes to Prostatitis 1st hand.
After I went through my dad having 2 massive stokes then my son going to jail at 15
my pain started in my pelvic area. Golf ball pain in my rectum etc.
Xanex helped me for a while till I did not need it anymore and my pain went away for
13 yrs. Till I lost my wife to cancer and it flared up again (also with age I'm 61 now).
So STRESS does play a role.
My friend who was on a plane back from Nam in 69 had the same pain as well.
I wonder why ?


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