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This is exactly my criticism of microlab - they identified what, like 9 species of bacteria in your sample? What do you even do with that info? Clearly your prostatitis isn't caused by 9 different bacteria. I tend to side with your microbiologist - basically you've already treated with abxs so what's the options? I guess you can at least take solace in that you don't have any chlamydia or mycoplasma so you can move on from a pathogenic treatment and to other modes of treatment like PT, AIFs, or muscle relaxers. That much is good.


Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:12 pm
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The price i paid to prove that it was not one of those was worth it to me. If i didnt have the test then i would still be wondering. Still concerned that the bacteria levels are high in semen but at least they are of common bacteria. Going to meet with uro/prostate specialist and see whats left. I was also concerned about fungal and can rule that out as well.


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Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.


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Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.


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Dandy wrote:
Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.



Hi Sandy, just curious - after you cleared your enterococcus did your symptoms go away? Or do you still have left over symptoms even after killing off the bacteria?


Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:32 pm
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So, my girl gets tested from her doctor last week (2 vaginal cultures, urine, and blood), she's negative for everything, included myco, ureaplasma, and all other known sti pathogens.

Still, whenever we do it unprotected, I end up with urethritis within 12 hours, it's terrible. If we use condoms, I am fine. I previously had enterococcus show up in a semen culture from my GP doc.

I'm about to send off my microgen culture in a couple of days, I still have mild prostate inflammation. Based on my findings from them, I'll get her tested by Mircrogen as well.


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Dandy wrote:
Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.


Hi Dandy,

I am currently considering phases in Georgia for the same bacteria. I have been tested and I am sensitive to one standard type of phases. Can I ask why you had to have four different courses and types ?


Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:44 pm
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ManOutOfMind wrote:
Dandy wrote:
Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.



Hi Sandy, just curious - after you cleared your enterococcus did your symptoms go away? Or do you still have left over symptoms even after killing off the bacteria?


I cultured "heavy growth" for enterococcus in a semen culture early on in my prostatitis (well, within the first 10mo or so). It came back susceptible to cipro, Levaquin, and amoxicillin. Funny enough, I had already had a combined 10wks on cipro and then Levaquin before culturing positive for it (and never testing positive for it in urine culture previously). Treated with Augmentin for about six weeks and all I got out of that was c-diff. Made no difference to my prostatitis and I never tested positive for enterococcus again despite multiple cultures. So either it was a false positive or else it's normal flora down there for me. A year later I randomly tested positive for moderate e-coli growth in a EPS culture. Treated that with fosfo...got c-diff again and it made no difference to my symptoms. That was when I decided the whole chronic bacteria prostatitis thing was a load of crap and I was never going to do abx for it again. A year later and my prostate feel the best it's felt since getting prostatitis.


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Quick (probably silly) question. What is the current thought on having your partner tested by MicroGen yes yours comes back positive for a pathogen that needs to be treated? For example, say you have something that's known to cause prostatitis. Should she (I am hetero) be checked for the same bacteria in her vagina, and be treated for it if it comes back positive as well?


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Darty17 wrote:
Quick (probably silly) question. What is the current thought on having your partner tested by MicroGen yes yours comes back positive for a pathogen that needs to be treated? For example, say you have something that's known to cause prostatitis. Should she (I am hetero) be checked for the same bacteria in her vagina, and be treated for it if it comes back positive as well?


That's what I am planning, have my girl checked by microgen as well, then compare results. Being forced to have protected sex for the past 2-3 years has sucked.


Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:23 am
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It seems like there is a certain strain of Enterococcus which I have and a few others on the thread that causes a read penis glad and swollen meatus, then a red and even more swollen meatus after ejaculation but prostate generally feels ok.

I would be interested in comparing treatments tried for this strain of Enterococcus, long course antibiotics dont seem to knock it out taken orally. I am currently on a vaccine for Enterococcus which is being trailed in the UK.

My urologist put me on fosfomycin for two days before starting the vaccine, this is the only antibiotic I have know to complete clear symptons within 24 hours, but 2 days was no where near enough to clear the bacteria. I am not sure if he will put me on a longer course but currently on the vaccine now which is a 3 month trial.


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freakinfrustrated wrote:
Well, microbiologist saw lab results and said all the bacteria are normal and he is not concerned. Didnt prescribe anything. I asked why semen bacteria levels high and he said he wasnt sure how microgen distinguishes betweem low aand high but that no bacteria was overly high and i had been on many abx that would have worked if they were the cause.
Not really happy with what he said ...he suggested discussing a circimcision....not doing that and dont think my foreskin is the problem.
Not seeing my uro till september as he doesnt work summers it seems. Trying to see ilia and see what he thinks.
Dr did say that this test is best test out there and it would pick up dna from mycoplasma or whatever if it was there.


Did you have any white blood cells?


Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:08 pm
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I did fosfo.for 3 weeks and still tested positive for it....just sayin.


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I have multiple bacteria. Some of the bacteria didn't disappear after the first cycle. The Enterococcus lost sensibility against standard phages and needed a custom phage. Sometimes one bacteria emerges when another bacteria disappear. You are on the treatment until all bacteria is gone.

CerveloUK wrote:
Dandy wrote:
Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.


Hi Dandy,

I am currently considering phases in Georgia for the same bacteria. I have been tested and I am sensitive to one standard type of phases. Can I ask why you had to have four different courses and types ?


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What is the brand name of the vaccine for Enterococcus?

CerveloUK wrote:
It seems like there is a certain strain of Enterococcus which I have and a few others on the thread that causes a read penis glad and swollen meatus, then a red and even more swollen meatus after ejaculation but prostate generally feels ok.

I would be interested in comparing treatments tried for this strain of Enterococcus, long course antibiotics dont seem to knock it out taken orally. I am currently on a vaccine for Enterococcus which is being trailed in the UK.

My urologist put me on fosfomycin for two days before starting the vaccine, this is the only antibiotic I have know to complete clear symptons within 24 hours, but 2 days was no where near enough to clear the bacteria. I am not sure if he will put me on a longer course but currently on the vaccine now which is a 3 month trial.


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No, not really. Prostatitis is very hard to treat, specially if you had it for many years. And what came first, the chicken or the egg? By that i mean that the bacteria can be secondary to your problems. Once the bacteria is gone, it doesn't automatically mean that your problems are gone..


ManOutOfMind wrote:
Dandy wrote:
Its not true that if you have Enterococcus you'll never get rid of it. Four cycles with two different of Phages cleared fixed my Enterococcus. Before treatment the Enterococcus came up in large amounts in every lab test. After treatment I have so far had zero amounts of Enterococcus in every lab test. I also know another forum member that cleared his Enterococcus out with injections and oral antibiotics. But its a very hard bacteria to treat.



healthyprostate wrote:
Hello!

I also sent my semen to Microgen. It was a bit difficult because I'am from Europe, but it was possible. With UPS express the semen was there in 48h. According to Micorgen that's no problem as the DNA is stable for about 7 days in room temperature. The price for Europeans is higher than for US citizens (about 350 Euro - 400$, additional 60 Euro for UPS). I just got my results form MicroGen. But no big news: Enterococcus faecalis is the only thing they found. No fungal - that's important for me, because fungal cultures are not easy. So now I know there is no fungal problem. Prior to this I did 4 cultutres in the last year - always Enterococcus was found. Micorgen did also a test for resistance genes for antibiotics: result was negative. From the cultures I know that my Enterococcus is resistent to a few antibiotics. So I don't know if these resistance genes analysis is value. Remanis only one last question: Is my Enterococcus the reason for my problems or not? And according to this forum and to my uro: once you have that bug you'll never get rid of it. Maybe I try fosfomycin.



Hi Sandy, just curious - after you cleared your enterococcus did your symptoms go away? Or do you still have left over symptoms even after killing off the bacteria?


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Has anyone been able to get clean after testing positive for some kind of bacteria causing prostatitis? Whether from Microgen or not? Reading the forums, it sounds like we are getting closer by being able to identify our pathogens through the labs, but a cure, not so much (except dandy who needed multiple phages).

Also, those of you who have done phages, how are they administered?


Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:46 pm
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Have any of you guys had a white blood cell count in your semen? As I Enterococcus Faecalis with a high white blood cell count (body trying to fight infection) if you have no white blood cells it could be part of your natural flora.


Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:35 am
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I have had a few tests come back with wbc found....body is fighting some inflammation or infection


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CerveloUK I agree with you on the E. Faecalis causing red tip, little prostate issues. Had same thing for 2 yrs and thought this whole time I was fighting ureaplasma, but in Georgia showed 10^6 Entroc in prostate fluid. Waiting for custom phage and hitting it with Cipro since just about all abx i took for it so far are resistant [doxy, azithro, bactrim]. Ill take fosfomycin as a tail as well.


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First of all: Sorry for my rusty English...I read a lot in English but writing is different.

I have confirmed Enterococcus faecalis (4 cultures and ngs/microgen). In the microgen analyses the amount was "medium" in the cultures always "low". I have no elevated white cells. Although I have symptoms for one year, I only took Ampicillin for 1 week. It didn't helped at all. I tried autovaccine but didn't helped. I don't think that my problmes are bacterial. Several reasons: 1.) in the last 10 years I had only protected sex and only with my wife, no oral, no anal. 2.) in the morning I'am quite fine. The more i sit the worser it becomes. A bacterial infection wouldn't do that. When I lie down in the afternoon for 30min, pain decreases. When I relax, pain decreases. 3.) So many women have exactly the same pain (burning, redness) as we have.

I'am very sceptical with this bacterial hyothesis. I found a study (about fertility) that showed that 30% of men have bacteria in the semen. Of this 30% 70% had Enterococcus without any symptoms. But they had a low sperm quality due to Enterococcus. You know, there is this ohter forum in the www. They see our problems absolutely not bacterial. It's interesting that these two forums (for the same problem) see things different. Only one doubt remains: there are guy's who become better after antibiotics.


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If you have no increased WBC in Prostate fluid alone, and semen, then do not take anymore antibiotics.


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I think similarly, and not putting much stock in the bacterial infection hypothesis/theory. I, too, have decreased pain after laying down for at least 15 - 20 minutes, sometimes shorter, sometimes longer. Also decreased pain when more relaxed. I've also read of women having same symptoms, and going to multiple doctors and taking multiple tests with results that mean possible but not confirmed bacteria. I think it is assumed to be bacteria without fully and soundly confirming it is the cause. Abx are often used to treat inflammation and pain. The urologist I went to prescribed ciprofloxacin when my basic urine test was negative for pathogens. I took it for several days and felt on the verge of being sick with the flu, so I stopped and didn't restart. Another thing is that heat from a heating pad, and cold pack, both work to decrease pain and sensitivity. It doesn't seem to me that means there is an infection. I think it means there is something wrong with my nerves, and the cold or heat helps at least somewhat. The question remains: why is it such a temporary effect, and doesn't solve the problem with repeated application.


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I'm not saying bacteria are not a cause at all of some cases of prostatitis. I think it is too often a presumption that isn't confirmed enough to call for trying a bunch of different antibiotics that may or may not solve the problem, and also cause more problems. However, some of the latest research is showing that a number of other approaches are effective. Yet, MicrogenDX sounds more accurate and helpful than standard methods.


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Hi
I’ve been off of this forum for 6 month now. I’ve been trying to deal with this as a TMS/mind body issue. I’ve had some success. I don’t have so much frequency anymore and Especially in the morning I’ve been able to go to the bathroom, pee and go to bed and fall asleep with no pain and no urgency. But during the day I feel the burning in the rectum etc. anyway, I still have to deal with family issues, life etc. I’m not cured. But I think it’s necessary to work both with our mind and body if you kill the bug and still you are in pain. The strange thing about prostatitis is that you can have the same symptoms from anxiety/fear/stress as with an bacterial infection. Look at tmswiki success stories. I mailed a guy. He had the same symptoms as me with frequency, pelvic pain. He had stinging in the penis after urination (I don’t) etc. but he got it all from worrying about he thought he had herpes ( you don’t get prostatitis from herpes) he got 100% healed by using TMS techniques.
I get anxious and I worry alot and overthink alot when comes to health. I’ve had TMS symptoms before and the onset to my prostatitis was really stressful and filled with guilt. So, what is the egg and the hen?
I did all the tests and only one came up with e faecalis. I’ve done 6 semen test that looked for WBCs. It doesn’t show elevated ( one done after rigorous prostate massage) My meatus is also read and I think the penis head is a little bit sticky after I urinate (it sticks to the paper somewhat) I don’t know, anybody made that connection?

Maybe it is the e faecalis doing biofilms that’s sticky? My urine foams when I stand up peeing (could be e faecalis doing something with proteins?)


Here are 143 men without prostatitis or appearent infection. 81 had no WBC but still this group had some men with bacteria, including some e faecalis. They had no prostatitis problem!?
So, some of us have the bacteria and e faecalis is common in the urethra of healthy men also. But yet somehow creating problem in some of us.

That’s why my andrologist I guess said I don’t have an infection and the test is contaminated. Maybe he is right or wrong? Maybe I had e faecalis before the onset of prostatitis? Maybe stress made all start, my body reacted on the bacteria? I don’t know?

I think my prostate is somehow inflamed. I talked to a TP specialist that was convinced that CPPS can make inflammation. I read from some other people with IC and other TMS symptoms that has had redness and swelling (no infection) that was due to TMS (and cured and redness and all went away)
So what is the hen and what is the egg?

Ps. I got scared again about this being bacterial as I had sex with my wife a month ago and she got some UTI problem about 2 weeks after sex. She got some penicillin (nothing detected on urine culture) but I think she still peeing some more than usual, going up once every night. But it could be something else. I don’t know why this reaction happens now after 3 years and not before?


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