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Do anyone know of anymore that has found enterococcus in semen and did a treatment and is 100% healed?.....what if this been in us for many years but only come to our attention since we have these symptoms... OR maybe it muscular/nerve tension and we subconsiously associate unprotected sex with pain. So we tense up and flare things up when we have unprotected sex...Try to have protected sex and see how you feel....Or try to orgasm in different position because i noticed that flare up more when im lying down on my back(wife favorite position, dammit) or sitting in a chair from watching porn....Just a thought


Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:39 pm
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I have a feeling that the enterococcus shouldn't be there as our urethral flora will normally handle it before it hits the prostate. It is found in the female vagina and mouth routinely. However, if we have unprotected sex after being on several rounds of antibiotics, and...or if we have general systemic dysbiosis, our good flora may be reduced, and bam! Enterococcus invades.


Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:42 pm
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So I was retested, result was multiple organisms but did not call out enterococcus..... confused now.


Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:21 pm
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Since the organisms that actually live in the prostate haven't really been studied to any extent, we don't really know what should be there, and what shouldn't be there. We do know that species like enterococcus are suspect though, since it's an intestinal bacteria.

The key would be to see if normal guys who have no prostate issues also have those species in their semen, then compare results.


Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:50 pm
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Inflamed wrote:
Since the organisms that actually live in the prostate haven't really been studied to any extent, we don't really know what should be there, and what shouldn't be there. We do know that species like enterococcus are suspect though, since it's an intestinal bacteria.

The key would be to see if normal guys who have no prostate issues also have those species in their semen, then compare results.


Lee JC; Muller CH; Rothman I; et al. (February 2003). "Prostate biopsy culture findings of men with chronic pelvic pain syndrome do not differ from those of healthy controls". J. Urol. 169 (2): 584–7; discussion 587–8.


Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:11 pm
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After further interpretation, the doc says the organisms are "normal male urethra flora" as stated from the lab report.....


Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:06 pm
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So, I now have the report which states multiple gram positive organisms, suggests normal male urethra flora

Any thoughts? So my enterococcus is clean now or was a false positive for heavy growth the first time?


Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:39 am
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pleasenomore wrote:
So, I now have the report which states multiple gram positive organisms, suggests normal male urethra flora

Any thoughts? So my enterococcus is clean now or was a false positive for heavy growth the first time?



I'd say you probably have normal semen and it's time to start considering the fact that your prostatitis might not be due to infectious bacteria, or at least that the cure isn't going to be the result of having to take more antibiotics. Maybe time to start considering non-conventional treatment like PT? My enterococcus appears to have been cleared as a result of Augmentin - or maybe it was a false positive in the first place, I don't know. My latest semen culture also returned a result of "normal skin flora, light growth".


Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:04 pm
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I have done a lot of cultures and several bacterias have appeared. But they don't tell me if they are pathogens. The last test was negative and my symptoms remain the same, fluctuating but never gone 100%. I guess that bacteria are not the cause in a lot of cases. We are missing something.


Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:46 pm
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Hi Everyone,

My battle with this bug is just starting. I was hoping to get some advice from guys who have kicked (or kicking) this things butt. It'll be greatly appreciated.

I started a new post that details my story. Here it is- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1857

Thanks


Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:54 pm
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Haven't seen anyone post on here in a while. I'd like your opinions. I took 2 weeks of ampicillin, that didn't work. I took 3 weeks of amoxicillin, that didn't work. Uro performed ct scan and cystoscopy, all came back fine. Now another ID doctor is recommending 3 weeks of intraveneous ampicilin with 3 days of gentamycin. I find that nuts, please share your thoughts!


Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:26 pm
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Have them do a sensitivity with a different abx with known prostate penetration if you think it'll be helpful to try more abxs. My enterococcus was sensitive to levaquin. Either way I doubt you will find much relief from further abx use at this point.


Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:35 pm
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Reading this is depressing. I'm on my fifth year with this bug. Now trying Xyvox after semen culture first returned Enterbater. Killed that with Doxycycline. Vanc resistant enterococcus replaced it. Susceptible to penicillin, xyvox/linezolid and macrobid. Tried Augmentin. Some relief, but then it really kind of started rallying against the antibiotic. Just started Xyvox. Too soon to tell. I have MS and am immune compromised due to the drugs. While I keep myself in impeccable physical condition, this bug directly broke down my immune system over the past few years and authored several attacks and a kidney infection. Mine was caused by a bad water feed from the town I lived in. The pipes in our state are old and riddled with it. It was cause and effect. I'm on the edge now. I've had enough. I'm hopeful about Xyvox, but an hour after I took it, my ears are itching... so... yeah. My ID doc is disinterested.


Wed May 31, 2017 7:10 pm
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When I went to my prostatitis expert doc he couldn't care less about enterococcus. The only thing he cared about was ecoli. Said the rest were red herrings. Who knows.


Wed May 31, 2017 7:22 pm
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I would be interested to know what symptoms people are having with this bacterial infection. If any at all? Are we able to all contribute to this, as I have fluctuating symptoms some days nothing others feels like testicles on fire, kidney pain, redness on penis tip then some days of nothing.

I have had 3 cultures done but because I don't have consistent symptoms my urologist just thinks its a contaminated samples.


Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:07 pm
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I'm starting to wonder if enterococcus faecalis is just normal flora in the prostate. are there any studies of healthy patients and the bacteria found in their semen?


Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:18 pm
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I've been on that bandwagon for a while. There is some studies that indicate that they are not and other studies that indicate that they are. For the most part, prostatitis is just something that doesn't garner much attention in the field of medical research so the results may be limited and thus, skewed. All 6 of the doctors that I went to went against the notion of a semen culture just for the mere fact that they are unreliable and notoriously easy to contaminate. Therefore, if you took a semen culture from every man in the world, enterococcus faecalis may very well be normal flora found throughout all cultures. In the (limited) medical research community, for the moment, it is not accepted as normal floral in the GU tract but absolutely normal flora in the GI tract.

There has been several guys on this forum that had symptoms, found enterococcus, took a prolong dosage of antibiotics to get rid of the enterococcus, got rid of the enterococcus and yet still have symptoms. That leads me to believe that enterococcus is a red herring. However, there seems to be a consensus that enterococcus does kill sperm since it is an organism that is predominately found infertile men. Again, that could very well be a red herring. Thankfully, I was able to impregnate my wife and I have enterococcus w/ no real symptoms.

Hope this helps!

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I'm starting to wonder if enterococcus faecalis is just normal flora in the prostate. are there any studies of healthy patients and the bacteria found in their semen?


Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:02 am
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There has been several guys on this forum that had symptoms, found enterococcus, took a prolong dosage of antibiotics to get rid of the enterococcus, got rid of the enterococcus and yet still have symptoms. That leads me to believe that enterococcus is a red herring. However, there seems to be a consensus that enterococcus does kill sperm since it is an organism that is predominately found infertile men. Again, that could very well be a red herring. Thankfully, I was able to impregnate my wife and I have enterococcus w/ no real symptoms.


i went through many years of problems and was fortune enough to have a local STD clinic where they would swab my urethra, then massage my prostate and re-swab.
i went here because i developed symptoms after having sex with a new partner, and i was convinced the problem was bacterial. they didn't find anything they'd call an STD but they did gram staining and had microscopes on premises and saw lots of different bacteria BUT THESE BACTERIA DID NOT CULTURE OUT.
so... a few thoughts here.

1. what many urologists are writing off as a non-infectious process could in fact be infectious, they're just not identifying the bacteria
2. isn't it possible that an initial infection could come from multiple species of bacteria and that some of them aren't susceptible to the antibiotics used to treat the identifiable bacteria (or, in cases where no bacteria was identified, couldn't the antibiotics BLINDLY THROWN at the mystery bacteria not kill some of them)?
3. isn't it possible that the initial infection could have cause pelvic muscle spasm and that even after the infection was irradiated, the muscle spasm still existed and continued to cause symptoms?


i had symptoms for many years when enterococcus faecalis was found in semen cultures. after many years of antibiotics, i was finally enterococcus-free but still had some pain so went on low dose elavil after PT failed. i also started going to the gym regularly. i was symptom-free AND enterococcus f. free for about 4 years. Had a new sexual partner and a month later was in serious pain. semen culture showed lots of beta hemolytic strep group b. went to a urologist who brushed it off as being non-infectious (despite the timing) and sent me to PT again which was a complete waste of time. Also had me on valium. Relief was temporary at best. Since then, I've had positive enterococcus faecalis cultures from semen and post-prostate massage, indicating theres e.faecalis in my prostate. went to a urologist who was going to give me a short course of cipro, which i suspect that, while sensitive, will not work due to short duration of treatment. so i went to an ID doc who recommended ampicillin due to sensitivity results. having been on augmentin (ampicillin + clavulanic) years ago and not seeing positive results, either due to it not working or due to reinfection, i suspect the ampicillin would have been useless.
anyway, I'm rambling. gonna do a full writeup introduction and see if anyone's got any advice for me cause i really don't want to waste any more time or kill myself with more antibiotics that won't work. thanks for reading. :)


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enterococcus



Did you resolve it?


Tue May 29, 2018 1:05 pm
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hi im sorry to hear of your ongoing problems.id like to ask you some questions,do u have good urologists that are experienced re prostatitis?have you been getting massage to help clear any infection in the area,have the EPS shown these organisms or a culture of EPS or semen?how do you access these antibiotics?are you in USA?prostate massage with abx helps open up prostate to get the meds in and baddies out.so far as i know the US has a dearth of prost experts a guy on east coast shuckes and another in ventura,toth also.europe and the far east have some specialists that have a deeper knowldege.perhaps a trip there will help.greece is one example thats very highly rated.hes well respected by his patients and has a very high rate of success are you familiar with this?id like to give you some positive input as it appears to be very frustrating in your cases.i have several organisms in my prost. iam thinking to try europe.i had CBP in the past 25 yrs ago and went on a long round of axb,in the end became very ill,i had a seies of IM injections with kanamycin and completely recovered in a week hasnt bothered me again until now but bugs have moved on but the way the disease is profiling it appears this options often ignored by docs.


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