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Sometimes also when urinating. It's specially noticeable if I urinate right after ejaculating. What disease did he has? Was it curable?


Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:43 am
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Update.

I have been told this morning the results of my last cultures by phone. Both have come negative. The problem is that I'm still in the same condition, with the same symptoms. I'm thinking about repeating the tests like 15 days later because I can't believe that I'm clean of bacterial infections. I suspect that this is a false negative.

I have an appointment with another urologist the next Tuesday and I don't know if he will prescribe me the cultures or not. I'm really getting impatient with this. My case is too strange. I want to know what is going on there. Are the bacteria the cause or just a consequence of something larger? If I'm really clean of infections why my penis feels like this when I masturbate? Why that burning when ejaculating that ruins all the pleasure? From where does it come the sensation of having something like mint inside the penis when I have an erection and I touch it (specially the left side)? Are the bacterias only going there because it's damaged? Aren't they the cause? Or is this a false negative?

I'm anxious because I suspect that the next urologist won't explain nothing to me and I don't know what to do. Maybe I should make a MRI of the pelvic zone to check if there is something wrong?

I miss my sexual functions, my normal sexual sensations, my orgasms. Must I live the rest of my life with this?


Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:26 pm
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I feel you might be confusing symptoms and causes, but it could just be that I'm misreading your posts. You might very well have an infected prostate, but the fact that you experience burning in your urethra when you ejaculate isn't because your semen has bacteria in it. It's not like the semen becomes an acid and burns just because there is bacteria in there. The burning sensation is due to inflammation in the prostate and/or urethra that *could* be a *result* of the infection . Orgasm just happens to irritate the nerves more and you feel a burning immediately during and then after. Increased inflammation following the trauma of orgasm could be flaring your symptoms for a time after as well, but it's not because bacteria in the semen are attacking your urethra or anything like that.

This info doesn't really solve anything for you, but it does explain why you could possibly be having these symptoms in the absence of an actual infection. An inflamed prostate can become even more irritated and inflamed during and after orgasm which irritates nerves that radiate down the urethra and cause that battery acid feeling you get when you ejaculate. A lot of us get the same thing - I do as well.

Must you live the rest of your life like this? A lot of us are surely asking ourselves the very same question about our own predicaments.


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"Must you live the rest of your life like this? A lot of us are surely asking ourselves the very same question about our own predicaments."

Ain't that the truth.


Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:07 pm
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What I mean is very simple. If, as the culture says, I'm already clean of bacterias why I still feel this? What is making my prostate, penis, urethra and testicles feel congested, numb and burning? What is ruining my orgasms, sexual pleasure and arousal if not bacterias?

And about the question I asked to me, well, I really have not the same symptoms as almost of you here in this forum. That makes me anxious because it seems that this kind of prostate inflammation, which destroys my libido and orgasms, and is burning instead of painful, is very strange. I don't see too much people here in this forum saying that their orgasms are gone. Mine are totally gone. I don't feel orgasms, only a feeling like urinating semen with a burning sensation that fluctuates in intensity. What in the hell is causing this? Maybe the bacteria goes there because the zone is already damaged? But how exactly is it damaged? By what? I need to know the cause of the inflammation and orgasm/libido loss.

I'm not confusing symptoms with causes, what I'm saying is that if the symptoms are still there and the bacteria are not supposedly there what is causing this?

I have tested glucocorticoids also so this doesn't seem an autoinmune disease, so what is this? Are the bacteria still hidden and simply didn't show in the last cultures? It's too strange.


Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:44 pm
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I think what prostate454 is saying is maybe the cause is not bacterial and inflammation in the muscles, prostate, surrounding tissues gets is compressing nerves and it is the nerves surrounding these structures that is giving the sensations your feeling.

Orgasms after all are strong muscle contractions if your muscles are weak, fatigued and inflamed forceably contracting them daily will cause pain and may explain the rubbish orgasms.

Maybe you don't have an infection now I'm not medically trained I can't tell you one way or another and being tested is always a good thing. But people in the forum are giving up there time and experiance to help others in similar situations to there own I don't think they mean to be condescending and I'm sure they feel how you do so when they question wether you do have an infection it is to try to help you find solutions and avenues to things tht may work for you instead of getting stuck in a vicious cycle of trying to find something your dead set on finding for it not to exist.

That said there's nothing wrong with being re tested while trying other things, I wish you the best and everyone else here to.


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Bacterial infection is associated with an increased pH, i.e. more alkaline (http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... ci_arttext ).

Infection is also associated with a high frequency of sexual dysfunction ( http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... x/abstract ).

Antibiotic courses of 4-6 weeks are recommended for chronic bacterial prostatitis.


Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:11 pm
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Must you live the rest of your life like this? A lot of us are surely asking ourselves the very same question about our own predicaments.


Really no one should be thinking this way. I imagine a very small number of cases don't at least improve dramatically (like 90%) within 2-3 years (yes, 2-3 years is a long ass time not to be able to properly orgasm or to experience daily pain, but I think this is the average cure time). If you allow this thought to fester (as I did for my first year) you not only have inflammation in your prostate, but you also have psychological trauma that only makes it (and everything else in life) worse. Take a pragmatic approach to this stuff. Find a doctor who knows what CPPS is and is willing to try diagnostics and treatments that are mentioned on this forum and other sites. This condition is a giant puzzle that has a solution, but does take tremendous effort on your part. It could be taking antibiotics for a long time and consistently, or it could be doing muscle strengthening exercises and Pelvic Floor relaxation techniques, the answer varies per person. NO Doctor has a magic answer that will fix you, but they do have tools, techniques, and hopefully (if you find a good one) insight into what your specific causes might be. Don't stop trying things. And most importantly (Chavalote) do not fixate yourself on one potential cause, because as I've read many times, this is a multi-faceted problem with a multi-faceted solution.

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Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:04 pm
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Fantom451, although you give good advice about CPPS to Chavalote, it is misplaced... simply because he doesn't have CPPS. He has proven bacterial infection that matches the symptoms (including burning) that he has, and he doesn't really have a pain syndrome.

There might be an undiagnosed cause for the infection and I think it would be best to have a MRI of the prostate and seminal vesicles to look for one. But unfortunately advice on what works for some men with CPPS (e.g. massage, pelvic floor exercises) won't be relevant to him and his condition.


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Fantom451 wrote:
prostate454 wrote:
Must you live the rest of your life like this? A lot of us are surely asking ourselves the very same question about our own predicaments.


Really no one should be thinking this way. I imagine a very small number of cases don't at least improve dramatically (like 90%) within 2-3 years (yes, 2-3 years is a long ass time not to be able to properly orgasm or to experience daily pain, but I think this is the average cure time). If you allow this thought to fester (as I did for my first year) you not only have inflammation in your prostate, but you also have psychological trauma that only makes it (and everything else in life) worse. Take a pragmatic approach to this stuff. Find a doctor who knows what CPPS is and is willing to try diagnostics and treatments that are mentioned on this forum and other sites. This condition is a giant puzzle that has a solution, but does take tremendous effort on your part. It could be taking antibiotics for a long time and consistently, or it could be doing muscle strengthening exercises and Pelvic Floor relaxation techniques, the answer varies per person. NO Doctor has a magic answer that will fix you, but they do have tools, techniques, and hopefully (if you find a good one) insight into what your specific causes might be. Don't stop trying things. And most importantly (Chavalote) do not fixate yourself on one potential cause, because as I've read many times, this is a multi-faceted problem with a multi-faceted solution.


Sure it's important to stay positive. But eventually after a long enough time with no improvement or even symptoms getting worse (4 days til my year anniversary!)...you start to wonder if this is it. If some all-knowing power came to me and said oh yeah have to wait it out for 2 years and then you'll be ok then I'd be through the roof with excitement. But right now given zero improvement in a year despite being on meds of some sort almost continuously and PT and relaxation, it's really hard to just have faith that it's magically going to get better on its own in another 12 months or whatever. Gotta stay hopeful but it can be really difficult when you're in constant pain.


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The new semen culture showed a corynebacterium species growth. This is the 4th bacteria they found in my semen. I have read about it and it seems that it's quite normal if it is in the skin but what it is doing in the semen? It seems that this is not an intestine bacteria (at least in Wikipedia I didn't find anything about the intestines) but how is that it ended there? It appeared in semen and in the pre-seminal fluid, so I don't think it's an infection of the sample after taking it, I think that it is in the prostate.

The problem is that in the antibiogram it appear as sensitive antibiotics that I already took. Does that mean that I'm getting infected constantly? Or does that mean that there is an infection focus that has several bacterias and as ones die others get higher in number and that is why they appear in the cultures?

This is causing me a lot of anxiety. For some reason my semen gets infected by several bacterias and I don't know the cause, but I'm quite sure that the symptoms I'm suffering are due to an infection. It's the typical burning and itchy feeling of an infection.


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what did the doctor say and recommend when he went over the results with you?


Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:17 pm
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Chavalote wrote:
It appeared in semen and in the pre-seminal fluid, so I don't think it's an infection of the sample after taking it, I think that it is in the prostate.


I have read time and time again that bacteria lodged in the prostate doesn't even get touched by antibiotics. The solution that I had read about was to get prostate massages (often) during antibiotic treatment to squeeze blood (and antibiotic) into the organ. Could it be as simple as you just need to have a series of massages while on the antibiotic? Has this been already tried or discussed with your doc?

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I have not gone yet. I have an appointment for the next Monday. But I'm quite hopeless. He won't explain me the cause of this and what can I do? Take the same antibiotics again? Amoxicillin? I'm in a point where I don't know what to do. The laboratory man says that mine is a strange case.


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Fantom, I told about it to an urologist but he said that his generation didn't learn about prostate massages because it's an old practice, today abandoned. I think almost all the urologists here don't do that kind of treatments, but I would try it because it makes sense.

Another weird thing is this bacterias changes. It seems that someones dies and then another group "takes their place". But why is there an infection? It's a mistery.


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Chavalote, you should insist that any antibiotic course you're given is at least a 4 week course. 6 weeks would be better, and probably more appropriate in your case due to failure with previous antibiotic courses.

The last course of antibiotics you had was definitely too short, and was always likely to fail.


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Didn't learn about prostate massages??? My URO has to be in his 30's and he knew all about prostate massages. He didn't do them during my antibiotics (ugh), but did suggest them later and they DID help. He only did it I think twice a week for 3 weeks then he was done with it. It made a big difference. Anyway, if he honestly can't do them at your request, find another URO dude!!

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I can't request the urologists to do what I want. They are the "specialists". That's how it works here. I'm going through an insurance, it's not private, so it's different. And requesting prostate massages has an extra difficulty, it is embarrassing.

About the antibiotic course. I don't know why it appears bacterias that are sensible to an antibiotic that I already took. One appeared sensible to one I took 2 for months. The most hopeful explanation I can think is that there is a multi-bacterial chronic infection and as ones dies another get larger in number, and that is why every time appears one different. The discouraging explanation is that I'm getting re-infected all the time. I don't know if there are any another logical explanation. Anyway, if the urologist gives me a too short course I can go to the general doctor, who always listen more to me, and request more weeks. It's something I did when I was taking the Ciprofloxacin.

These days I'm feeling like if something "is moving" there when masturbating. It still burns but the feeling is different. It's like if the infected stuff is getting choppy. I don't know if that is good or bad but I want to think that the infection is getting weaker because all the antibiotics I took. Maybe before there were a lot of bacteria types and now they are getting smaller in types, who knows. Yesterday I could even feel an orgasm to let's say 40% mixed with burning feelings (normally it is between 5% and 20% approximately). I know that expressing this with a percentage is kinda stupid but it's the only way I find to explain it.

Maybe if I keep repeating antibiotic courses and cultures I would end curing this. Maybe it's taking too long time just because it has been there for years (I suspect that more than 10). One thing is clear to me, this is a bacterial infection, and very nasty.


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That sounds like good stuff to me. I would just keep up the treatment and give it time!

With doctors, you have to make them think it's their idea. Most of their egos are too big to take a suggestion from a simple-minded patient, anyway. So just bring up the topic by asking if they have ever given a prostate massage for this type of problem, and say you've read some stories on this forum (my doc was fully aware of this and other sites) and you wonder if it might help you. Do not say "I want prostate massages right now" or they'll completely ignore you. I feel pretty confident that massages during your antibiotics will do no harm, but may help your treatment tremendously. So far, nothing I've read on this forum or that my doc has said indicates that anything bad comes from the massages (other than possibly being sore a few days. One doc's massages never made me sore. Second doc just did a simple exam, and I'm still slightly sore 4 days later).

As for embarrassment: maybe you think they'll trigger an orgasm (highly unlikely or maybe impossible) or that fluid will come out. They have to push REALLY hard apparently to get a small drop of fluid out. It didn't feel at all sexual to me, and was not embarrassing after the first time seeing how simple it is. You'll be fine. It's probably just going to feel weird and there's nothing embarrassing other than a finger in your butt (which you've probably had several times by now, anyway). Just think to yourself "this might help me!".

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Repeated infections could be related to a structural/anatomical cause. I think it would be good if the urologist asked for a prostate MRI at this stage.


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The MRI is something that I have in mind for the near future if this doesn't work. The urologist that is treating me now wants to do a cystoscopy also but I don't know if that can help in my case and it's a very annoying test that I want to avoid if I can.

I'm not a "simple-minded patient". What I find that bothers them is exactly the opposite. I make very intelligent and logical questions that they probably haven't thought in their life (academic degrees and intelligence are two different things) and they feel somehow insulted. I have tried saying it in too many different ways but sometimes they don't even listen. Their egos are too inflated.

I figure that in my case the massages combined with antibiotics would work because I feel that zone obstructed and burning but if they don't know nothing about that treatment it would sound to them like "weird stuff that I have read in the internet", and worse, you are basically asking them to insert their finger in your anus and do something that gay people usually do (massaging the prostate). If they don't know too much about that treatment they can have a big misunderstanding.


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Chav, perhaps it's a miscommunication of English, but what I meant by "simple-minded patient" is exactly what you said that they feel insulted that you might know the answer and they don't.

Haha, wow. Okay I'm not sure what it's like in your country, but in the USA, urologists put their finger on prostates ALL THE TIME. In fact, when you turn 50, they are basically going in no matter what to check for issues/cancer. Performing a massage or receiving one doesn't make you gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). They are professionals and do stuff like this all the time. They aren't going to think you're gay because you bring it up. That's just silly. I think all Urologists are aware of what a prostate massage is, they just may not find a "clinical trial" that proves it's effective. Doctors love their clinical trials.

If you can get an MRI, that would be wonderful. My doc wouldn't do any radiology on me though since "he can't justify it with insurance". Maybe THAT is better in your country. To me, if a $2k MRI gave insight to my problem, that will easily pay off as I have spent way more insurance money than that on treatment over the past 4 years.

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Chav - I was doing my best to avoid responding to your posts because you are so entrenched in your view, but I have to respond to your last comment on this thread. Will do my best to avoid responding in the future.

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"I'm not a "simple-minded patient". What I find that bothers them is exactly the opposite. I make very intelligent and logical questions that they probably haven't thought in their life (academic degrees and intelligence are two different things) and they feel somehow insulted. I have tried saying it in too many different ways but sometimes they don't even listen. Their egos are too inflated."


You are obsessed that the only possible cause to your problem is bacterial. To me, this is a "simple-minded" stance. Bacteria is one of many potential causes, and to insist that "you know its bacterial" without even looking at other possibilities is arrogant. If your tone when dealing with doctors is anything like the tone of your posts here, you shouldn't be surprised that they are insulted. I completely get that dealing with doctors can be frustrating, but your only choice is to work with them.

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"I figure that in my case the massages combined with antibiotics would work because I feel that zone obstructed and burning but if they don't know nothing about that treatment it would sound to them like "weird stuff that I have read in the internet", and worse, you are basically asking them to insert their finger in your anus and do something that gay people usually do (massaging the prostate). If they don't know too much about that treatment they can have a big misunderstanding."


I have had prostate massage combined with ABX for 4 months (2-3 times a week) and it was useless. Not saying that some people don't benefit, but there is a reason its not a recommended treatment - because it rarely works and there is no study showing it is an effective treatment. As for your "gay people" comment, this is just ridiculous. I have had many doctors hands, fingers and probes inside my butt over the course of this without a problem or any awkwardness. Urologists stick their finger up peoples butts everyday - its part of the job. If you really want prostate massage, go find someone who provides this service.


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WS1234,

Have you read this thread before judging me in that way? I say this because if you have done it you would know that I have been thinking about a lot of causes. In my first post on this thread (and on this forum) I explained how I was going to endocrine specialists to determine if this was caused by an hormonal unbalance. I also thought that this was caused by having been taking anxiolytics in the past, and so on... In fact, I checked almost all the possible options before doing a culture and start to think that this is a bacterial infection. So your point is wrong.

That said, I'm now thinking that this is a bacterial infection because they have found already 4 bacterias in my semen and the symptoms are typical of a bacterial infection.

You must be very twisted or have a special reason (which I can't imagine and really don't care) to see my approach as "arrogant". I always have an opened mind and ask to the doctors my questions with respect (sadly, they don't always response in that way). If you think that I'm arrogant it's very simple, just ignore me.



Update,

The urologist gave me a 14 days treatment of Augmentin (which I'm now combining with Tamsulosin to see if that helps the antibiotic to penetrate better in the prostate). He said that there must be a cause that makes me get re-infected once and once again and maybe I need to do a cystoscopy to check if there is something wrong there. He also said that they don't know clearly if it's normal to have bacterias in semen or not because a lot of people with bacterias are asymptomatic. I think mine are pathogenic because the symptoms, though.

For the moment, I'll repeat the culture again after the treatment. I don't know if a cystoscopy would help but maybe I should give it a try to discard possible physical problems. I'm also thinking about doing a MRI because it's not normal to get re-infected so many times and there must be a cause. Maybe something is twisted or damaged there and that is why the bacterias get in.


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I'd strongly recommend that you find a way to take the antibiotic for at least 4 weeks. Have a look at http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... eatment#d9. A 2 week course of antibiotics isn't enough.

Unless you usually have urinary symptoms (e.g. poor urine flow), I suspect a cystoscopy will not provide any answers. But you might need to agree to having a cystoscopy before they consider doing further investigations like a MRI .


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