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 Free of Chronic Pelvic Pain after 14 years 
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Post Free of Chronic Pelvic Pain after 14 years
I am a 35 year old man from Somerset, England. I suffered from Pelvic Pain for 14 years and tried everything from prostate injections, myofascial physical therapy and pudendal nerve surgery. I was where many of you are now, desperately looking for relief from unrelenting pelvic pain.

I eventually found a treatment programme called Restorative Exercise, the work of American Biomechanist Katy Bowman M.S. Restorative Exercise is a programme based on the science of Biomechanics. After immersing myself in this programme I am now free of pelvic pain.

Restorative Exercise has been life changing for me and I have now qualified as a Restorative Exercise Specialist. You can read more about my story and Restorative Exercise on my website posted below.

http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... cpain.com/


Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:57 am
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Very polished sales pitch. Unfortunately there is no cure for CPPS and little medical evdidence to support the notion that it is muscular related. I expect that if you have something that will help the community, you will at least provide this protocol for free so folks can give it a try and see for themselves.


Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:33 pm
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Thanks for responding to my post Carlos. As I hope you can appreciate I have to cover my costs for renting a high standard facility at the Hilton Hotel. However l will consider your request for free treatment for patients initially so people can see what they think of Restorative Exercise.


Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:50 pm
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Dave M wrote:
Thanks for responding to my post Carlos. As I hope you can appreciate I have to cover my costs for renting a high standard facility at the Hilton Hotel. However l will consider your request for free treatment for patients initially so people can see what they think of Restorative Exercise.


i clicked on the website link you posted. there was nothing describing the program, it was essentially the same message up in your post from above.


Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:11 pm
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Hi Bill

The website includes an article entitled Restorative Exercise for pelvic pain which in my view begins to explain how Restorative Exercise can combat pelvic pain.

However I also understand people will have more questions so I have added a facebook page to my website today. This will be staffed by three Restorative Exercise Specialists , two in California and myself in the UK. We will respond to any queries you might have.

I believe that the cause of CPPS is muscular. The pelvic floor is tightening because other muscles are not doing their job. To treat the pelvic floor in isolation will be ineffective. The prostate will be affected because it has reduced blood flow due to the tightness of the pelvic floor.


Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:02 pm
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I agree that poor posture can cause pelvic pain and prostatitis symptoms. I, myself am living proof of that. I encourage everyone to assess their posture in the mirror or get somebody to take a picture. Do you have Lordosis?
I think you need testimonials and proof that your system works. Additionally, sample workouts and what to expect.
I think you are on the right lines with the free treatments to start. Maybe downgrade the location temporarily to accommodate this.
Here is an interesting article I read a bit back about the whole body connection.
http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... sfunction/


Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:35 pm
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UK sufferer I noticed in your profile you are interested in Biomechanics so I think you will find the work of Biomechanist Katy Bowman interesting.

I agree with you about posture and the whole body approach. To be clear though Restorative Exercise is concerned with your Alignment and not posture. You can have what is perceived by our culture to have great posture but incorrect alignment.

Posture is the position in which your body is positioned when you are sitting or standing. Whereas Alignment is the proper positioning or state of adjustment of parts in relation to each other. Alignment is the arrangement of your body in which it functions optimally in.

I have attached an article by Katy Bowman entitled Alignment is not posture to explain this further.

http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... t-posture/

Before I found Restorative Exercise I was diagnosed by a physical therapist as having excessive Lordosis. My lumbar spine looked as if it had excessive curvature.

However when my body was put into alignment I discovered I had in fact the complete opposite. I had a Posteriorly tilted pelvis and had no lumbar curve. My lumbar spine was actually too flat.

So how did it appear that I had lordosis? What I was actually doing was thrusting my ribs which gave the appearance of lordosis. I was also placing my pelvis out in front of me.

When put into Alignment I had hyper kyphosis. I was hunched over. However I was disguising my hyper kyphosis by adopting a posture that made it look as if I had excessive lordosis.

I understand this is a difficult concept to understand in written form and is more easily understood when you see a Restorative Exercise specialist and you attempt to put yourself into correct alignment.

I read the article you posted. Stretching is beneficial however it needs to be combined with changing the way you move otherwise the muscles will tighten again. Physio therapy did not work for me and I spent a fortune on it.

You commented that I need proof my system works. I would love to provide a study that that 'proves' this work. However I would make the point that there is currently no study for Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome that can 'prove' good results. I hope my own story is a testimonial for Restorative Exercise.

In my view CPPS is best treated with a biomechanical approach.


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Hi, I agree. For me it's been about stretching my hip flexors and quads and strengthening my hamstrings, glutes and core, took ages to get a full picture of what I needed to so though. First realised it was muscle based when I had some trigger point release on my psoas and got immediate results. That was after a few months of antibiotics which did bugger all.
I hope more people like you come along and offer this perspective. I mean, worst case scenario it doesn't cure all problems but your body will be better for it overall.
Out of interest, how long did it take from discovering restorative exercise to feeling 100% again?


Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:23 pm
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UK sufferer it took me approximately 8 months.

I find it interesting that you found relief after your psoas was worked on. In my opinion it is critical to address the psoas muscle in order to recover from this.

Best of luck with your continued recovery and feel free to contact me if you have any questions.


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CarlosDanger wrote:
Very polished sales pitch. Unfortunately there is no cure for CPPS and little medical evdidence to support the notion that it is muscular related. I expect that if you have something that will help the community, you will at least provide this protocol for free so folks can give it a try and see for themselves.


Sorry Carlos but that's rubbish.

There are many different causes of Pelvic Pain and many ways of fixing them.

Perhaps a Urologist would struggle to cure pelvic pain but to suggest there's no hope is ignorant and lazy.

Perhaps you saw the news today that a man with a severed spinal cord has recovered his ability to walk after a transplant of nerve cells. The body has incredible powers of recovery if it's given the conditions to do so. Nothing is impossible so let's not help foster a doom ridden atmosphere on this forum.


Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:15 am
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CPPS is a chronic and presently incurable condition. There are no effective treatments for this condition, and you must learn to live with the pain and discomfort. Yoga and stretches have not been proven to help, and the protocol from Dr's wise and andersen have not been studied further after disappointing results. Also, the "doctor" who created the protocol is a Phd and not an MD.

If there was a cure or a way to make most people feel better, medical doctors would inform their patients rather than telling them they have to live in discomfort. I think its immoral to play games with people's grieving process and stop them from progressing beyond denial.


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CarlosDanger wrote:
CPPS is a chronic and presently incurable condition. There are no effective treatments for this condition, and you must learn to live with the pain and discomfort. Yoga and stretches have not been proven to help, and the protocol from Dr's wise and andersen have not been studied further after disappointing results. Also, the "doctor" who created the protocol is a Phd and not an MD.

If there was a cure or a way to make most people feel better, medical doctors would inform their patients rather than telling them they have to live in discomfort. I think its immoral to play games with people's grieving process and stop them from progressing beyond denial.


No. It's lazy to roll over and give up just because conventional medicine won't help you. There are many patients of lots of other diseases who aren't helped in conventional medicine but they don't just give up.

It's not fair...in fact it's disgusting but don't presume because they haven't helped you that the situation is hopeless.

Chronic pelvic pain involves a range of systems within the body. Neurological, Muscular, Circulatory, Inflammatory, etc. Because conventional medicine has chosen to break the body into tiny elements and then train doctors in only that element and condition like Pelvic Pain baffles them.

Neurologists lack the knowledge about muscular issues and biomechanical faults.
Muscular Specialists lack knowledge about neurological disorders
Urologists don't understand any of it!

The problem is the flawed medical system...not the complexity of the condition.

If I can understand and fix my issue with no medical training then it's not impossible.

I'm sorry to tell you that they are lazy. The information is out there if you look for it.


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I agree with pretty much everything you've written David, modern medicine is clearly unable to view things from a multidisciplinary approach. However, you are being very dishonest by conflating this truth and making it seem like there is a known cure for CPPS and all the doctors are too narrowly focused to see it. The fact that modern medicine is not multidisciplinary does not at all mean that incurable diseases have cures that they just havent picked up on. I'm sure you've learned a lot about this disease like most other sufferers, but its sort of corny to suggest that where research universities and physicians have failed, David88 has seen the light.

Everybody has theories and things they believe worked for them but its dishonest to suggest that this is the way CPPS is treated until there is reproduceable evidence. There is presently no reliable evidence suggesting PT will cure most men/women of CPPS. Statistically the only truth evident is that this disease is chronic and is a life destroyer.


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CarlosDanger wrote:
I agree with pretty much everything you've written David, modern medicine is clearly unable to view things from a multidisciplinary approach. However, you are being very dishonest by conflating this truth and making it seem like there is a known cure for CPPS and all the doctors are too narrowly focused to see it. The fact that modern medicine is not multidisciplinary does not at all mean that incurable diseases have cures that they just havent picked up on. I'm sure you've learned a lot about this disease like most other sufferers, but its sort of corny to suggest that where research universities and physicians have failed, David88 has seen the light.

Everybody has theories and things they believe worked for them but its dishonest to suggest that this is the way CPPS is treated until there is reproduceable evidence. There is presently no reliable evidence suggesting PT will cure most men/women of CPPS. Statistically the only truth evident is that this disease is chronic and is a life destroyer.


I understand it's easier to feel bitter because your doctor has failed you but you then have two options.

1. Give Up
2. Take resonsibility for your recovery and start learning.

If you take the time only to compare the similarities in symptoms between CPPS and Sacro-iliac Joint Dysfunction then I think it will open your eyes.

I would not have come back to this forum having recovered if I did not think it was worthwhile passing on what I had learnt along the way. Suggestions of 'seeing the light' are highly disrespectful and show a misunderstanding of the severity of the pain this condition causes.

Luckily there are many others on this forum who are 'fighting back' and educating themselves on their bodies.

You can choose to 'give up' if you like but spreading a message of doom is cowardly. I remember reading similar comments when I first got diagnosed and they did nothing for me than to increase my sense of depression and hopelessness.

That's all I've got to say on the matter.


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CarlosDanger wrote:
CPPS is a chronic and presently incurable condition. There are no effective treatments for this condition, and you must learn to live with the pain and discomfort. Yoga and stretches have not been proven to help, and the protocol from Dr's wise and andersen have not been studied further after disappointing results. Also, the "doctor" who created the protocol is a Phd and not an MD.

If there was a cure or a way to make most people feel better, medical doctors would inform their patients rather than telling them they have to live in discomfort. I think its immoral to play games with people's grieving process and stop them from progressing beyond denial.


Restorative Exercise is not like yoga or stretching. I attended the A Headache in the Pelvis clinic and that did not work for me.

Restorative Exercise is based on the science of Biomechanics.

Biomechanics is a science of forces and how the body responds to loads.

To recover from pelvic pain I needed to change the forces which my muscles were responding to. So what do I mean by forces?

One force that I needed to change was pressure. By moving with my rib cage lifted I was increasing the pressure in my abdominal cavity. This increased pressure in my abdominal cavity also affected my pelvic cavity resulting in my pelvic floor tightening in response to the pressure above it. I had to change the pressure first and then the pelvic floor would respond by relaxing. To treat the pelvic floor in isolation would be a futile endeavour as it was merely responding to pressure.

The article below by Katy Bowman explains in greater detail how this works. It also explains why hernias develop.

http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... re-part-1/

I also needed to change the tension force on my sacrum. The pelvic floor forms a sling and attaches to the coccyx which attaches to the sacrum. On most people with pelvic pain the sacrum is drawn into the body which means the pelvic floor is too short. To make the pelvic floor lengthen the sacrum needs to be drawn back out of the body. So how is this achieved? You need to create a pull or tension force on the back of the sacrum. The gluteal muscles attach to the sacrum so if you activate the gluteal muscles the sacrum will be drawn back out of the body thereby lengthening the pelvic floor.

It is not enough just to do some glute exercises once or twice a day though, the glutes need to be activated most of the time. If you just did some exercises a few times a day your glutes would turn right back off again afterwards and your pelvic floor would shorten. Katy Bowman explains more about this in the video below.

http://prostatitis.org/redirect.php?lin ... OoTC9DpB3k

It is also why with Restorative Exercise I had to learn to walk in a completely different way which would allow my gluteal muscles to work on every step meaning that my pelvic floor worked eccentrically (work while lengthening). Going for regular walks with a completely new gait pattern was critical to my recovery.

There is obviously much more to what I did than just this. Restorative Exercise works on every muscle in the body. If I wrote down everything this post would go on and on.

Yes you do need to do a tremendous amount of stretching and strengthening exercises with Restorative Exercise. You are also learning new motor skills with many of the exercises. I was balancing on Bosu balls, squatting and eventually hanging from monkey bars. It is a huge commitment. I was doing between 2 to 3 hours a day of the exercises. The first exercises are very,very gentle , anyone could do it. It only progresses as you start to get better.

However the exercises that you are given to do are not what gets you better, the exercises allow you to move in a way that gets you better. That is why I do not believe that on its own a stretching and strengthening programme would work for pelvic pain. If you just stretched and never changed the way you move you would be stretching forever. It would just become incredibly frustrating. The reason your muscles are tight are because of the way you are using your body. With Restorative Exercise I had to think about how I was using my body all of the time.

If you change the way you move the forces and loads your muscles are reacting to will be different. There is nothing dysfunctional about your pelvic floor, it is behaving entirely appropriately to the forces and loads being placed upon it.


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Post Re: Free of Chronic Pelvic Pain after 14 years
Hi Dave,

Thinking of getting one if Katy's books.

Which one would you recommend - alignments matters or move your DNA?

Keen to get the one that focuses more on pelvis and I believe one has a chapter just on squats??

Any help appreciated.

Thanks :)


Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:49 am
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JammyD personally I would try and buy both. Move your DNA is not about pelvic pain but about the science of Biomechanics and of Alignment. It does have a whole chapter on the pelvis.

Alignment Matters has a specific chapter on the Pelvic floor. It is a collection of Katy's blog posts over the last five years.

Katy Bowman is currently writing a 'whole body pelvis book'.


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Thanks Dave :)


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